| May. 24th, 2007 03:07 pm And They Say We Don't NEED Prayer In Public Schools They say we don't need prayer in public schools. For those who truly feel that way, I'd like for you to look at the list below. (And if you don't feel that way, you should look at this list, because it will reinforce everything you feel!) First a bit of back ground information. Prior to the interference of one Madalyn Murray O'Hair, prayer was allowed in public schools. Even before we were a nation, prayer in the English Colonies was a regular occurence in public schools. But let's focus on America. We became a nation in 1789, with the defeat of the British. Here is a list of school shootings from 1789 to 1960, when Murray O'Hair first launched her landmark quest to remove God from public schools (A decision was rendered in 1963 by the way) April 9, 1891 Newburgh, New York May 18, 1927 Bath, Michigan, June 4, 1936 Bethlehem, Pennsylvania, November 13, 1949 Columbus, Ohio, May 15, 1954 Chapel Hill, North Carolina,
--------- Now, here is a list of school shootings since 1963, when the Supreme Court sided with Murray O'Hair in deciding that prayer should be removed from public schools. (These are not all in Chronological order as they are above) August 1, 1966 Austin, Texas, 16 dead, 31 injured Charles Whitman pointed a rifle from the observation deck of the University of Texas at Austin's Tower and began shooting in a homicidal rampage that went on for 96 minutes. Sixteen people were killed, 31 wounded.
May 4, 1970 Kent, Ohio, United States 4 dead, 10 injured National Guard open fire on student protesters at Kent State University during an anti-Vietnam rally, killing 4 and wounding 10. See Kent State University shootings for more information.
May 14-15, 1970 Jackson, Mississippi, United States 2 dead, 12 injured Jackson State killings. Police kill two and injure twelve students during Vietnam War riots.
April 5, 1982 Hot Springs, Arkansas, United States 2 dead
Kelvin Love, a student at Garland County Community College, killed an instructor and another student.
December 17, 1983 Ithaca, New York, United States 2 dead Non-student Su Yong Kim enters the Low Rise 7 dormitory and kills Cornell University freshmen Young Hee Suh and Erin Nieswand with a rifle.
November 1, 1991 Iowa City, Iowa, United States 6 dead, 1 injured After his dissertation did not win a certain academic award, Ph.D. physics student Gang Lu shot six people before committing suicide. Five were killed, including three professors. A student employee was paralyzed.
December 14, 1992 Great Barrington, Massachusetts, United States 2 dead, "several" injured Armed with a SKS carbine, 18-year-old Simon's Rock College of Bard student Wayne Lo killed a professor and a student and wounded several others. He was convicted of murder and sentenced to life imprisonment without parole.
January 26, 1995 Chapel Hill, North Carolina, United States 2 dead, 2 injured Wendell Williamson, a law student and schizophrenic, opened fire on Franklin Street with an M-1 rifle, killing two and injuring two others, including a Chapel Hill police officer.
September 17, 1996 University Park, Pennsylvania, United States 1 dead, 1 injured Hetzel Union Building shooting. 19 year old Jillian Robbins opened fire on students walking to classes at The Pennsylvania State University, killing one student and wounding another.
October 16, 1996 West Lafayette, Indiana, United States 2 dead On October 15, 1996 Jay Severson, 27 a Wiley Hall counselor at Purdue University caught Jarrod Allen Eskew, 19 of Crawfordsville, Indiana cutting cocaine in his dorm room. Severson called the Purdue Police Department but when they arrived Eskew had fled. Eskew returned the next day at 2:50 pm with a sawed off 12-gauge shotgun while under the influence of both marijuana and cocaine. Eskew went to Severson's Wiley Hall dorm room and fatally shot Severson in the head. He then barricaded himself in his third floor dorm room. A janitor found the body a short time later. SWAT and police took up positions around Wiley Hall. Police evacuated Wiley Hall, attempted to negotiate, fired tear gas, and stormed the room to find Eskew had taken his own life with the shotgun. [20][21] January 16, 2002 Grundy, Virginia, United States 3 dead, 3 injured Appalachian School of Law shooting. 43-year-old Appalachian School of Law student Peter Odighizuwa shot and killed the Law School Dean, Contracts Professor and another student; three others were wounded . The incident was ended when two students with personal firearms subdued the shooter. He was sentenced to multiple life terms in prison. Peter 'O' was a Nigerian student attending the school on a student visa. The school later settled a lawsuit by some of the surviving victims and their families brought over the schools failure to take action when the student showed signs of psychosis and made threats.
October 28, 2002 Tucson, Arizona, United States 4 dead Three nursing professors were shot dead at the University of Arizona by a student failing the nursing program. Robert J. Flores, Jr., 41, shot and killed Robin Rogers, 50, Barbara Monroe, 45, and Cheryl McGaffic, 44 before turning the gun on himself. Two of the teachers were shot in a classroom and the gunman allowed the students to leave before killing himself.
May 9, 2003 Cleveland, Ohio, United States 1 dead, 2 injured Biswanath Halder, a 62-year-old man, opened fire with an automatic weapon on his former school, Case Western Reserve University. He killed one student, seriously wounded two others, and kept over 90 people hiding for their lives for seven hours. After vigorous and bullet-ridden gun battles with school police and SWAT officers, Halder surrendered and was sentenced to life in prison. September 3, 2006 Shepherdstown, West Virginia, United States 3 dead Douglas W. Pennington, 49, killed his sons Logan P. Pennington, 26, and Benjamin M. Pennington, 24, during a visit to the campus at Shepherd University before shooting and killing himself. The shootings occurred at about 2 p.m.
September 17, 2006 Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, United States ... 5 injured Shots are fired outside Duquesne University's Vickroy Hall after a dance party sponsored by the Black Student Union which several non-students were attending. Five members of the Duquesne Dukes basketball team were injured during the shooting including one who sustained critical injuries after an argument between 1 individual and 2 students.
April 16, 2007 Blacksburg, Virginia, United States 33 dead, 25 injured The Virginia Tech massacre was the single most deadly civilian gunfire incident in American higher education history. It occurred at Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University. Thirty-three people were killed including the gunman (Seung-Hui Cho) in two separate locations, about two hours apart: West Ambler Johnston Hall, where two were shot dead, and Norris Hall, where the remaining 31, including the gunman, were shot, in an attack lasting nine minutes. Police reported that 25 others were injured, some in the Norris Hall shooting, others when they jumped from second-story windows to escape December 30, 1974 Olean, New York, United States 4 dead, 11 injured 18-year-old honor student Anthony Barbaro blockaded himself into a third story classroom at his high school and opened fire on those below, killing three people and wounding eleven. He later hanged himself while awaiting trial. A drama was written about the incident entitled Sniper. January 21, 1985 Kansas, United States 1 dead, 4 injured Armed with an M-1A Semi-Automatic Rifle and a .357 Pistol, 14 year old James Kearbey fatally shot his principal and wounded 3 other teachers and a student at Goddard Junior High School.
March 2, 1987 Missouri, United States 2 dead After constant teasing and humiliation about his weight, Nathan Ferris armed himself with a pistol and killed a fellow student after he bullied him in class. He then turned the gun on himself.
January 8, 1991 Richardson, Texas, United States 1 dead Jeremy Wade Delle brought a .357 magnum to Richardson High School and committed suicide in front of his class of about 30 students. This incident inspired Pearl Jam's song Jeremy. May 1, 1992 Olivehurst, California, United States 4 dead, 10 injured Armed with a pistol, 20-year-old Eric Houston took hostages at his former high school, killing four people and wounding 10. His motive was his inability to find a good job due to the fact that he had failed a grade at school. He was given the death penalty for the shooting. The 1994 film Hostage High is directly based on the shooting.
January 18, 1993 Grayson, Kentucky, United States 2 dead 17-year-old East Carter High School student Scott Pennington fatally shot his English teacher and a school janitor with a pistol.
March 25, 1994 Cherokee County, Georgia, United States 1 dead Brian Head, 15, shot and killed himself during his high school economics class at Etowah High School. Head had been a longtime target for bullies because of his weight and thick glasses. His father, Bill, subsequently successfully lobbied for a law that criminalized bullying and required schools to alert parents of bullied children. May 26, 1994 Union, Kentucky, United States ? dead Clay Shrout kills his family and holds hostages later at school.
October 12, 1994 Greensboro, North Carolina, United States 1 dead, 1 injured Nicholas Atkinson, a 16 year old Grimsley High School student, returned to campus after being suspended and shot and wounded the assistant principal with a 9mm handgun before committing suicide.
November 15, 1995 Lynnville, Tennessee, United States 2 dead, 1 injured The Richland High School shooting occurred when 17-year-old Jamie Rouse walked into the Richland School and shot two teachers in the head, killing one, armed with a .22 Remington Viper. He then fired at the football coach, but hit a 14-year-old freshman in the neck, wounding her.
February 2, 1996 Moses Lake, Washington, United States 3 dead, 1 injured Armed with a high-powered hunting rifle and two handguns, 14-year-old Barry Loukaitis killed his algebra teacher and two students before taking hostages. He also shot a girl in the arm, who he released during the hostage situation. The incident ended when a teacher burst into the room and tackled him. Loukaitis is now serving life in prison. February 19, 1997 Bethel, Alaska, United States 2 dead, 2 injured Armed with a pump-action 12 gauge shotgun, Evan Ramsey killed a student and the principal of Bethel High School, and wounded two others. He is now serving a 210 year sentence.
October 1, 1997 Pearl, Mississippi, United States 3 dead, 7 injured 16-year-old Luke Woodham stabbed and beat his mother to death, then took a lever-action rifle to Pearl High School where he shot into a crowd of students, killing his ex-girlfriend Christina Menefee and her friend Lydia Kay Dew and wounded seven other students. Woodham later claimed that he did not remember killing his mother.
December 2, 1997 West Paducah, Kentucky, United States 3 dead, 5 injured A 14-year old high school freshman opened fire on a prayer circle at his school killing three students and injuring five. March 24, 1998 Jonesboro, Arkansas, United States 4 dead, 10 injured Jonesboro massacre. 13-year-old Mitchell Johnson and 11-year-old Andrew Golden set off the fire alarm in their Jonesboro school and then, from the woods, open fire on classmates and teachers as they flee the building. Four female students and a teacher are killed, with nine other students and a teacher being wounded in the incident.
April 24, 1998 Edinboro, Pennsylvania, United States 1 dead, 3 injured 14-year-old Andrew J. Wurst went to the school graduation dance where he shot and killed a popular science teacher. He subsequently opened fire on more students, wounding another teacher and two classmates before he ran out of ammunition.
May 21, 1998 Springfield, Oregon, United States 4 dead, 25 injured Kip Kinkel opened fire with a .22 rifle at Thurston Senior High School, killing 2 students and wounding 25 before being tackled by a wounded student. His parents were later found at home, murdered by Kinkel. He is now serving 111 years in prison without parole.
June 15, 1998 Richmond, Virginia, United States 2 injured 14-year-old Quinshawn Booker fired a pistol in a crowded hallway of Armstrong High School, injuring two adults, as other students were taking final exams. April 20, 1999 Littleton, Colorado, United States 15 dead, 24 injured Columbine High School Massacre. Two teenage students, Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold, carried out a shooting rampage, killing 12 students and a teacher, as well as wounding 24 others, before committing suicide. Eric had a history of violence. Born in Flint, Michigan, a gun loving city. He was exposed to guns at a very early age. This is the city of which held the record for youngest school shooter. 6 year old, Dedrick Owens. But Dylan Klebold had a normal live, that is before meeting Eric Harris.
May 20, 1999 Conyers, Georgia, United States 6 injured 15-year-old Thomas J. Solomon used a .22 rifle and .357 handgun to wound six classmates at Heritage High School before surrendering to a teacher. Due to the ongoing investigation surrounding Columbine (Which happened barely a month prior!), this event went largely unreported in the media at the time.
December 6, 1999 Fort Gibson, Oklahoma, United States 4 injured Armed with a 9mm pistol and carrying over 100 rounds of ammunition, 13 year old Seth Trickey opened fire on a crowd of students, wounding four. October, 2000 Glendale, Arizona, United States no injuries Sean Botkin armed with a S&W Sigma 9mm. infiltrated Pioneer wearing a Russian BDU (battle dress uniform) with communist hammer and sickle insignias, to hold his former 8th grade class hostage for several hours. After several hours of negotiation, Botkin released hostages periodically in groups of ten. The situation eventually ended peacefully with Botkin surrendering to the police.
March 5, 2001 Santee, California, United States 2 dead, 13 injured Armed with .22 revolver, 15-year-old Charles Andrew Williams opened fire in a boy's bathroom at Santana High School, killing two students. He then exited the bathroom and shot at nearby students, wounding 13. Shortly afterwards he retreated back into the toilets where he surrendered to police.
March 7, 2001 Williamsport, Pennsylvania, United States ... 1 injured (?) An eighth grade girl shot another eighth grade girl at Bishop Neumann Junior-Senior High School. This was the first time a shooting occurred in a Catholic school and one of only four known incidents in which the main perpetrator was female.
March 22, 2001 El Cajon, California, United States 2 injured Jason Hoffman shoots inside Granite Hills High School wounding two classmates April 14, 2003 New Orleans, Louisiana, United States 1 dead, 4 injured At 10:30 AM, several men armed with an AK-47 entered the school gymnasium of John McDonogh High School and executed Jonathan "Caveman" Williams, a football player. The killers fired at least 18 times, shattering Williams' face and injuring three neighboring girls. A stampede of students trampled a pregnant girl.
April 24, 2003 Red Lion, York County, Pennsylvania, United States 2 dead Red Lion Area Junior High School Murder/Suicide. 14-year-old James Sheets fatally shot his school principal in the cafeteria of his middle school before committing suicide.
September 24, 2003 Cold Spring, Minnesota, United States 2 dead Rocori High School shooting. 15-year-old Jason McLaughlin shot Aaron Rollins and Seth Bartell at Rocori High School with a .22 pistol. Rollins died the same day; Bartell died October 10 of injuries sustained in the attack. February 2, 2004 Washington, D.C., United States 1 dead 19 year old Thomas J. Boykin fatally shot 17 year old James Richardson at Ballou Senior High School. Boykin was later acquitted on the charge of murder.
February 3, 2004 Palmetto Bay, Florida, United States 1 dead 14-year old Michael Hernandez stabbed and slit the throat of a 14-year-old classmate, Jaime Rodrigo Gough, while in a restroom at Southwood Middle School. Hernandez was tried as an adult, and sentenced to life in prison without parole. A search of his home revealed he had concocted plans to murder several classmates and even his older sister. His journal revealed he was obsessed with perfection, and admired Hitler and the Nazis.
February 9, 2004 East Greenbush, New York, United States 1 injured Jon William Romano brought a 12-gauge Winchester shot-gun into Columbia High School and text messaged his friends from the bathroom to "get out" and minutes later began walking through the hallways and firing shots. One teacher was hit in the leg and no other people were shot.
May 7, 2004 Randallstown, Maryland, United States 4 injured 18-year-old Matthew McCullough and 24-year-old Tyrone Devon Brown shot four students of Randallstown High School following a brawl with football players in a parking lot. One of the victims was left partially paralysed. September 27, 2004 Romeo, Michigan, United States 1 injured Former Romeo High School student Eric Schorling entered the school and stabbed his ex-girlfriend, Nicole Lambert, in the back with a kitchen knife as she walked to class. Schorling was convicted of assault with attempt to murder; Lambert has since recovered. October 7, 2004 Newburyport, Massachusetts, United States 1 dead A 15 year old boy committed suicide near his high school. He was reportedly despondent after breaking up with his girlfriend.
December 10, 2004 Nine Mile Falls, Washington, United States 1 dead A 16 year old boy killed himself with a handgun in his high school and the gunshot sent the faculty into panic, causing them to lockdown the school. A canister containing fireworks, shotgun shells and rifle cartridges was later found in the boy's backpack.
March 21, 2005 Red Lake, Minnesota, United States 10 dead, 12+ injured Red Lake High School massacre. Jeffrey Weise, a student at Red Lake High School in Red Lake, Beltrami County, Minnesota, killed his grandfather and his girlfriend before killing seven more people at the school including a teacher and a security guard. Weise then took his own life.
October 21, 2005 Saginaw, Michigan, United States 1 injured (?) 16-year-old Clarence Russell III shot Daniel Foster in the halls of Saginaw High School. Russell
November 8, 2005 Jacksboro, Tennessee, United States 1 dead, 2 injured After reports that a freshman had a handgun, the principal and two assistant principals confronted student Kenneth Bartley Jr., who opened fire on them, killing one of the assistant principals and wounding the two others.
January 13, 2006 Longwood, Florida, United States 1 dead 15 year old Chris Penley brought a handgun to Milwee Middle School, and held his class hostage for a short time before eventually being fatally shot in a bathroom by police. It was soon discovered that the gun was actually a pellet gun, causing controversy over whether his death was justified.
February, 2006 Bellaire, Texas, United States 1 injured A boy at Bellaire High School stabbed another boy in a stairwell. The victim survived the stabbing, and the attacker was arrested and prosecuted.
February 23, 2006 Roseburg, Oregon, United States 1 dead (?) 14-year-old Vincent Leodoro stole a 10 mm handgun from his stepfather's home and brought it to school where he shot 15 year old Joseph Monti in the back. When Monti fell to the ground, Leodoro shot Monti a further 3 times. March 14, 2006 Reno, Nevada, United States 2 injured Pine Middle School shooting. 14-year-old James Newman brought his father's revolver to Pine Middle School and wounded two students. He was sentenced to house arrest and community service, which outraged several members of the public when he was not sentenced to prison.
May 25, 2006 Northampton, Pennsylvania, United States no injuries An 18 year old Max Brotzman brought a 22-caliber rifle, among other weapons, into school in a guitar case to kill himself. He did not succeed. September 16, 2006 St. Louis, Missouri, United States 1 injured A senior student of Westminster High School, Austin Vincent, reportedly text-messaged his friend, saying he would commit suicide. This was later forwarded to a counselor, who called the police. He did not attend school on September 16. School got out at 3:00, and he arrived around 3:45. He got out of his mother's car holding a rifle. Police were already on the scene. Vincent reportedly pointed the rifle at his head, then waved it at the police. Officers took 3 shots, and he was hit in the leg by at least one. He was taken to a hospital in stable condition. He would later be tried as an adult. September 27, 2006 Bailey, Colorado, United States 2 dead, 6 injured A gunman, later identified as 53-year-old Duane Morrison of Denver, took six female students hostage at Platte Canyon High School. After sexually assaulting some of them, he released four of the hostages. When 16-year-old Emily Keyes tried to run away, Morrison shot her in the back of the head before killing himself. Keyes was flown to St. Anthony Central Hospital in Denver, where she died a short time later.
October 2, 2006 Las Vegas, Nevada, United States no injuries An ex-student of Mojave High School went on campus with a gun, his motive unknown at the time. Students recognized him as not being a student anymore and notified school police immediately. The suspect ran from the school and ditched his gun behind a church close to Mojave. Mojave, as well as 3 middle schools and 1 elementary school were placed on lockdown while police searched for him.
October 9, 2006 Joplin, Missouri, United States no injuries A 13-year-old student fired a cheap imitation AK-47 inside his middle school after confronting two others students and his principal. The student was wearing a mask and had pointed the gun at the principal, the assistant superintendent and two students, saying, "please don't make me do this". After firing a shot into the ceiling and breaking a water pipe, the student's gun jammed when he attempted to fire additional shots. The student was then confronted by police officers and taken into custody. The identity of this student is yet to be released. Officers also found a note in the student's backpack indicating that he had placed an explosive in the school (which has 700 students). No one was injured in the incident. October 17, 2006 Fort Bend County, Texas, United States 1 dead A Seven Lakes High School student committed suicide outside the cafeteria. The school was forced into lockdown for about two hours while the school officials fielded concerns of worried parents, who found out via texting of Seven Lakes students. No other students were hurt, nor did the teen plan on hurting any other student. Though he was not pronounced dead immediately, he was declared DOA as soon as his parents were notified.
August 30, 2006 Hillsborough, North Carolina, United States 1 dead, 2 injured 19-year-old Alvaro Rafael Castillo opened fire at Orange High School with a rifle and shotgun, shooting eight times and wounding two students. Officers ordered him to stop firing and he immediately complied. Castillo killed his father with a firearm before driving to school in a van. In the van police officers found ammunition, pipe bombs, and other weapons. Castillo will be charged with first-degree murder in the death of his father while charges for the school shooting are pending. January 26, 2007 Uninc. Los Angeles County, California United States 1 dead Gang members entered Drew Middle School and opened fire. A 23-year old visitor named Demetrius Perry died.
March 7, 2007 Midland, Michigan, United States 1 dead, 1 injured 17-year old David Turner shot 17-year old Jessica Forsyth four times outside Herbert Henry Dow High School before killing himself in the parking lot. April 10, 2007 Gresham, Oregon, United States 10 injured High school freshman Chad Escobedo shoots the windows out of two classrooms from outside Springwater Trail High School injuring ten students with shrapnel and broken glass, two of which required stitches. His motive was to shoot at a class in which he was enrolled, unhappy that the instructor had called his parents; the classrooms he hit, however, were not his intended target April 18, 2007 Huntersville, North Carolina, United States 1 dead A 16-year-old threatened students in the parking lot at North Mecklenberg High School with a gun and shot himself at a local gas station when confronted by police. Four Charlotte-Mecklenberg schools went on lockdown. January 29, 1979 San Diego, California, United States 2 dead, 9 injured Armed with a .22 rifle 16-year-old Brenda Ann Spencer opened fire at Cleveland Elementary School. She wounded eight children and one police officer and killed two adults. When the six-hour incident ended, she was asked of her motive for the killing, to which she shrugged and infamously replied "I don't like Mondays. This livens up the day." January 20, 1983 Saint Louis, Missouri, United States 2 dead, 1 injured During a study hall period at Parkway South Junior High school, eighth grader David F. Lawler used two pistols to kill a fifteen-year-old classmate and severely wound another before turning the guns on himself.
May 20, 1988 Winnetka, Illinois, United States 2 dead, 6 injured 30-year-old Laurie Dann walked into a second grade classroom at Hubbard Woods Elementary School carrying three pistols and began shooting children, killing eight-year-old Nicholas Corwin and wounding five others before fleeing. She entered a nearby house where she shot and wounded a 20-year-old man before killing herself.
September 26, 1988 Greenwood, South Carolina, United States 2 dead, 9 injured 19 year old James Wilson opened fire at Oakland Elementary School, killing two eight year old girls and wounding nine others, seven of whom were children. He had been taking several psychiatric drugs at the time, including Valium, Halcion, and Xanax.
October 2, 2006 Lancaster County, Pennsylvania, United States 6 dead Amish school shooting. A 32-year-old milk-tank truck driver, took hostages and eventually killed five girls (aged 7-13) and then killed himself at West Nickel Mines School, a one-room Amish schoolhouse.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_massacres http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_massacre
Well known shooters Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold - Perpetrators of Columbine massacre, killed 13 Michael Carneal - Perpetrator of the Heath High School Shooting Laurie Dann - Perpetrator of Hubbard Woods Elementary School shooting Brenda Ann Spencer - Perpetrator of the Cleveland Elementary School shooting, killed 2 Seung-hui Cho - Perpetrator of the Virginia Tech massacre, killed 32 Valery Fabrikant - Perpetrator of the Concordia University massacre Kimveer Gill - Perpetrator of the Dawson shooting Andrew Golden - Co-perpetrator of Jonesboro massacre Thomas Hamilton - Perpetrator of the Dunblane massacre Mitchell Johnson - Co-perpetrator of Jonesboro massacre Kip Kinkel - Killed parents and 2 students at Thurston High School Marc Lépine (Gamil Rodrigue Gharbi) - Perpetrator of Ecole Polytechnique massacre, killed 14 Dedrick Owens - Youngest school shooter Charles Carl Roberts IV - Perpetrator of the Amish school shooting Robert Steinhäuser - Perpetrator of the Erfurt massacre Jeff Weise - Perpetrator of the Red Lake massacre Charles Whitman - Perpetrator of the University of Texas at Austin Tower Massacre
And one final footnote: Madalyn Murray O'Hair founded American Atheists. Her son, William J. Murray (who was the child behind the landmark 1963 ruling) would later convert to christianity and write several books advocating the rights and responsibilities of all children to pray in school. http://www.wjmurray.com/ Madalyn Murray O'Hair (along with her other son and granddaughter) were brutally murdered sometime around 1995 by at least one member of her own organization. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madalyn_Murray_O'Hair But we don't need prayer in public schools.... Until next time this blog is brought to you by the PRAYING letters W, E and H in the fellowship of the number 2 Gimme Your Thoughts  |